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Post by Allan on Jan 15, 2007 15:26:49 GMT 10
Well I think it's kind of ignorant to think that you're not putting yourself in danger trying to help the addict. And if Willow wasn't willing to get help, what was Tara supposed to do? Willow didn't try to get help until after it was too late, after her "evil" rampage. I'm not saying that there's no chance of danger there whatsoever. But if the person in question is a loved one, would you really be thinking of them as "the addict"? |
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Post by Bre on Jan 15, 2007 15:49:20 GMT 10
No, but I'm not in love with Willow, so to me she's "the addict".
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Post by Allan on Jan 15, 2007 16:40:46 GMT 10
You're not in love with Wilow???  But Tara is in love with Willow, and therefore I think that she should have stayed with her, and helped her get through the hardest thing she's ever had to. |
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Post by Bre on Jan 15, 2007 16:49:51 GMT 10
No I love Willow, I'm just not in love with her. And I understand everyone's viewpoints, but it seems to be getting repetitive here, so my final point: Willow's magic overdose = her own fault. Tara's decision to leave Willow = understandable. |
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Post by Allan on Jan 15, 2007 17:57:46 GMT 10
And I'll just leave it with it being Willow's fault is overly simplistic, and Tara leaving being weak.  I agree that we're not covering any new ground, and neither person's going to convince the other, and I'm right (like how I snuck that in there? ) Seriously, agreeing to disagree's probably the best. But I hate to see the thread die, so how about that Kennedy, huh? She has a tongue stud. |
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Post by Nico on Jan 15, 2007 21:31:47 GMT 10
But I hate to see the thread die, so how about that Kennedy, huh? She has a tongue stud. lol Allan did you find that out the hard way? Kennedy & Willow were a good thing, but I hate seeing them together, she may be good for Willow, and I may have to watch there scenes, but I dont have to like it!  |
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Post by Allan on Jan 15, 2007 22:27:13 GMT 10
No comment! I thought the characters worked. And she was just what Willow needed at the time. That said, if we saw past season seven, I'd be surprised if they managed to last too long. |
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Post by Kana on Jan 16, 2007 1:41:46 GMT 10
And I'll just leave it with it being Willow's fault is overly simplistic, and Tara leaving being weak.
But I think there is a danger of over simplyfying Tara's motives as well. As Bre and I were talking about anyway, Willow does have some responsibility and therefore Tara's actions are understandable even if consequentially speaking they were not perhaps for the best. Simply saying Willow is addicted so she isn't responsible for her actions is also an oversimplifcation in my view as well as we see there is an element of atttitude (arrogance stemming from poor self esteem, the same poor esteem she alluded to in Wrecked). I can understand Willow completely though. Sometimes when we feel so low in ourselves or if we are bullied we can let ourselves becoming a victim of pride and selfishness (possibly part of Willow's motivation in Bargaining). It is when we have a lot of power that defines who we really are and what Willow proved post Season 6 is that she is capable of living beyond the corruption that almost took a hold of her but she was at the very least partially responsible for her decline because of her attitude towards magic. Magic seems neutral in the verse seems to depend on people's intention towards it. Tara was very balanced and respected the laws of nature and which she articulated that philosophy more eloquently to Willow (failure on Tara's part).
So in short it was both of their weaknesses that ended the relationship and as Bre said, it was understandable.
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Post by Beck on Jan 16, 2007 7:58:56 GMT 10
I agree it was both their weakness that ended the relationship but I disagree with it being understandable. You guys need to put yourself into Tara's shoes and think of it through the eyes of the lover, not see Willow as "the addict" (Bre  ). To understand Tara's motives, see the full side - and she certainly didn't see Willow as "the addict" but as someone she loved. I agree its not black and white, but to me, Tara's leaving and reappearance and ability to forgive once things were sorted out was unforgivable and my opinion of her dropped dramatically with that. As for Kennedy - yes she helped Willow. I don't think she was bad for her, I just fully dislike her. |
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Post by Allan on Apr 22, 2007 18:45:45 GMT 10
Willow's relationships tend to be a talking point, yet everyone's gone quiet...  Any more thoughts? Are any of you brave enough to defend Kennedy? |
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Post by Shaun on Apr 22, 2007 21:12:22 GMT 10
I don't mind Kennedy. She was good for Willow and gave her the strength to move on from Tara and move forward with her magic. Sure she was a bitch, but I like that in a woman |
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Post by Loz on Apr 22, 2007 21:23:32 GMT 10
I assume i'm excluded from that statement because i am so lovely and unbitch like I don't like Kennedy. I think she's a scrag. But that being said i get why Willow was with her (apart from the fact that she was the only other lesbian around ). She helped her move on from Tara and gave her some confidence when it was needed. I don't think it would have lasted very long though - i certainly don't think Kennedy would be a great love of Willow's life. As far as Willows other relationships go I loved Oz and Willow together. They were always one of my favourite Buffy couples It probably helps that they were together in the time i could still stand Willow And sorry to all the Willow and Tara shippers but i found Tara just dull upon dull. So that made her relationship with Willow incredibly dull too  |
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Post by Forsaken on Aug 29, 2007 13:55:43 GMT 10
First of all this is a pretty old thread that kind of wandered a little off topic so if people want to start it fresh then lets. Now:
As far as what's been said before about Willow/Tara and their split I agree with most of it.
The best Willow couple was Oz. Period. Oz loved Willow for Willow and while he helped her grow and come in to her own he just basked in her Willowness. Plus the speech with her about "stop, Willow kissage" was beautiful. I fell in love with him a little there.
Tara was in the relationship because Willow made her feel special (as stated in her song). Oz was in the relationship because he thought Willow was special ("who is THAT girl?") and he felt the need to be around that specialness. Kennedy was in the relationship because Willow was a special new toy and Kennedy always gets what she wants.
I'd also like to point out to people that Willow wasn't gay, she was bisexual. She was very clearly attracted to Oz, Xander and even Giles (who wouldn't be, I'm straight but those eyes..., actually Willow had really great taste in men come to think of it)
So that's my two bits. Once again if someone wants to respawn this thread anew please do. (I'm not sure how myself)
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). To understand Tara's motives, see the full side - and she certainly didn't see Willow as "the addict" but as someone she loved. I agree its not black and white, but to me, Tara's leaving and reappearance and ability to forgive once things were sorted out was unforgivable and my opinion of her dropped dramatically with that.
