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Post by Laura on Mar 29, 2007 8:54:38 GMT 10
Plus didn't the First come to Willow to try to get her to kill herself because it knew Willow was powerful, so why would he come to Xander? The First probably didn't care if Xander died or not because he wasn't a big threat (in his eyes). Yes, the First did want to kill Willow, which would explain why it would appear as someone who could talk to Tara. However, if it was Tara herself, than it might have been even clearer that it wasn't actually Tara (plus they couldn't get Amber). Imo it was better as Willow/Cassie/Tara (instead of Xander/Jessie) because it affected the fans more, because a lot of the fans knew and loved Tara. We barely knew Jessie at all. |
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Post by Beck on Mar 29, 2007 11:26:48 GMT 10
I know Tara was better to have than Jesse, but I think having it as Cassie was lame. As Ververka said, Willow didn't even meet Cassie. Nor did Tara. why would Cassie have ANY significance. Why not someone they had actually KNOWN appearing to represent Tara then?
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Post by Allan on Mar 30, 2007 0:06:11 GMT 10
lol I had thought of that, but Giles hadn't arrived in Sunnydale at that point yet Simple. The First just wanted to stop Giles making it to Sunnydale!  To me that Cassie, who Willow never met, came to talk to her was ludicrous. I'm with you Beck, I didn't like the whole episode. It was written by four different writers, one for each part, and I think that this is clear- it's a jerky episode with no flow, that's just how I see it. The only thing I like is the Angie Hart song, and that just makes the episode look promising, then it disappoints. Re the four writers, I think that worked, for four very separate stories. If it was one story right across the episode, I'd see your point, but instead it had an anthology type feel to it, which worked. I know Tara was better to have than Jesse, but I think having it as Cassie was lame. As Ververka said, Willow didn't even meet Cassie. Nor did Tara. why would Cassie have ANY significance. Why not someone they had actually KNOWN appearing to represent Tara then? To me, Cassie represents failure on behalf of Buffy and the Scoobies. They couldn't save her. Also, by sending someone Willow didn't know, it really sets out to hurt her more - basically, "You want to see the woman you love? Too bad. Here's a stranger". I thought the coldness of it worked to the episodes advantage. |
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Post by Laura on Mar 30, 2007 11:23:07 GMT 10
Ah, very good points Allan. Not only the coldness of the stranger, but it does show the failure. Willow knew Buffy couldn't save Cassie, and it was almost like how Willow couldn't help Tara. Maybe it made her feel helpless, and what Cassie started telling her only made it worse.
Beck, do you have any specific ideas of who else could have appeared of Tara's behalf?
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Post by Beck on Mar 30, 2007 11:24:40 GMT 10
Nope. Not Cassie though. It made no sense imo. Willow is not like Buffy, she doesn't think its their fault they couldn't save Cassie, or any failure on their behalf.
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Post by Nico on Mar 31, 2007 5:54:16 GMT 10
I agree Cassie seemed like a pointless addition, Tara would have been so much more Powerful, Like Beck said Willow doesnt feel as much guilt as Buffy, Willow didnt really have any connection to Cassie, I mean she said "I know you, I saw your picture" , That was a big let down in my opinion.
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Post by Allan on Apr 1, 2007 22:37:31 GMT 10
But doesn't someone Willow doesn't know add to it for you guys? It's a bit of extra "punishment" for her nasty deeds.
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Post by Nico on Apr 1, 2007 22:43:36 GMT 10
I think the only good thing from having Cassie, was her "she has a message for you", but I think that coming from tara would have hurt alot more, and Dawn, had to be reassured it was the first playing with her mind, I think Having tara visit Willow would have made it tougher for Willow to believe that it was the first, and not who it was pretending to be (If that makes sense) Though im not sure if that last part is a cassie positive or negative.  |
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Post by Allan on Apr 1, 2007 23:13:30 GMT 10
That's a good point, Nico. I think the "extra mile" the first went to to hurt Willow - ie being Cassie - ended up giving it away to Willow. That said, if it was "Tara" saying those things, maybe Willow would have clicked that Tara could never say it a little earlier. It's definitely food for thought.
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Post by Laura on Apr 2, 2007 4:31:18 GMT 10
I think if Tara had come, it would not have been as emotional for Willow. After all, just being able to see Tara would have reassured her, yet she would have known that it wasn't Tara after the First asked her to kill herself.
Plus, it was painful that Willow thought she couldn't see Tara because of what she did. Willow blamed herself for that, and in return she wanted to do whatever Tara asked in recompense.
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