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Giles
Feb 18, 2007 22:21:09 GMT 10
Post by Nico on Feb 18, 2007 22:21:09 GMT 10
*Hopes this isnt a Duplicate!*
I love Giles , he is my favourite Character and couldnt find a discussion on him!.
What do we think of Giles?, of his Decisions?, He has had an interesting buffyverse life, Forgave the killer of his Lover, Put buffy through a cruel Watchers council Test, was fired, Left Sunnydale when things were Bad.
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Giles
Feb 18, 2007 22:35:47 GMT 10
Post by buffymanic on Feb 18, 2007 22:35:47 GMT 10
Did he forgive Angel? I don't think he really did. Sure he was civil to him but that was probably for the benefit of Buffy and because he realised Angel importance in the fight against evil.
Giles was always a really facinating character, its so funny seeing the stuffy acadamy version opposed to season 4 when he's without direction. Giles was definately vital to the series, he added a lot of depth, he was a vital source of information and guidance for the scoobies, but he also had a wonderful nature to rebel.
My favorite Giles centered episode would definarely have to be Band Candy, Anthony Head was awsome in that
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Giles
Feb 18, 2007 22:54:45 GMT 10
Post by Nico on Feb 18, 2007 22:54:45 GMT 10
Oo yeah I dont mean fully forgave him, I mean enough to help him.
I agree tash Band Candy was Awesome, Giles was completely Different, and ASH acted it out superbly.
It was strange after giles got fired i think willow said it perfectly when she was in shock that he was jobless , well cept for the library job ofc.
Also Buffys comment about the college library "giles should be Librarian here, it would be convienent" lol!
Giles was always Dedicated, and his Love for Buffy and the gang was a mojor factor in what held them all together.
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Giles
Feb 19, 2007 2:28:13 GMT 10
Post by Shaun on Feb 19, 2007 2:28:13 GMT 10
Giles put aside his own problems with Angel because he knew Angel wasn't genuinely responsible. I think forgiveness would be too much to ask from Giles, but he accepted him and gained some level of trust for him again. Giles was a brilliant character up until season 7 when he was written like a different character who was just unsympathetic and for the most part unlikeable
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Giles
Feb 19, 2007 3:24:26 GMT 10
Post by Luke on Feb 19, 2007 3:24:26 GMT 10
Giles was a huge part of the show if not for him then Buffy wouldn't have gotten so far. I didn't agree with him leaving when Buffy needed him the most in season 6, she had just died and then been borough back from the dead and he just hops on a plane and leaves. But apart from that he was a great character.
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Giles
Feb 19, 2007 8:22:17 GMT 10
Post by Beck on Feb 19, 2007 8:22:17 GMT 10
Giles. On repeat viewings, still one of my fave characters. I think he was right in a way to leave - he wasn't responsible for them all, but his timing sucked. I agree S7 Giles was totally OOC, and in Lies my Parents Told Me - I hated him Bad writers
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Giles
Feb 19, 2007 8:37:05 GMT 10
Post by Allan on Feb 19, 2007 8:37:05 GMT 10
I don't think he was particularly out of character in season 7, actually. We saw what he did to Ben in season 4, he has the whole Ripper history, and desperate times call for desperate measures. He was doing what he thought was necessary.
I love his evolution from "stuffy Englishman" to father figure, to seasoned hero. He's a great character, and while he pissed me off a bit in season 7, I don't think it was an incredible stretch for him.
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Giles
Feb 19, 2007 8:40:28 GMT 10
Post by Beck on Feb 19, 2007 8:40:28 GMT 10
Giles may have killed Ben, but that was because Buffy couldn't and it was for the greater good. Killing Spike wasn't and he knew it, he was getting rid of one of their strongest allies in a tough time. He was also very standoffish a lot of the time to Buffy and co, and the way he treated the chinese slayer was appalling. Giles is a smart man, he'd learn some chinese, not draw obscene pictures and yell at her in english.
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Giles
Feb 19, 2007 8:54:36 GMT 10
Post by buffymanic on Feb 19, 2007 8:54:36 GMT 10
yeh I'd agree Giles was almost an after though in season 7, like he was there to be the token 'adult' instead of the caring and intelligent man he was
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Giles
Feb 19, 2007 9:00:04 GMT 10
Post by Glenn on Feb 19, 2007 9:00:04 GMT 10
Giles was weird in season 7 lol. He turns up and doesnt hug anyone!?!? I know it was supposed to make us think that he was the first but surely he would have had a hug for his scoobs.
He was like a Gilesbot. Like someone had programmed him with Giles data but missed vital facts and didnt have any human warmth/emotion.
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Giles
Feb 19, 2007 9:39:19 GMT 10
Post by Lizzie on Feb 19, 2007 9:39:19 GMT 10
Giles has such an interesting past. He's clearly capable of evil things - just look at how he killed Ben.
"GILES: She's a hero, you see. She's not like us. BEN: Us?"
He's totally killed before. Also, his nickname 'Ripper' also makes me think he was very violent in his youth. So different to the way he was in Sunnydale.
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Giles
Feb 19, 2007 11:11:15 GMT 10
Post by Allan on Feb 19, 2007 11:11:15 GMT 10
Giles saw Spike as a threat, much as he saw Angel as a threat. Vampires can't be trusted, period, especially when they have their pasts. Add how the First had been screwing with Spike into the equation, and I think it's not too difficult to see where Giles was coming from in season 7. He wasn't right, but there was some logic behind his thinking.
I agree that him not hugging anyone upon his return was weird, but you're right - it was done to arouse suspicion about him being the First.
And Glenn, the Gilesbot thing conjures disturbing mental imagery of Giles with Spike in a graveyard...
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Giles
Feb 19, 2007 22:45:06 GMT 10
Post by buffymanic on Feb 19, 2007 22:45:06 GMT 10
Well there's a new slash fandom right there Allan! I think Giles has definately killed before Liz and whilst it may not be right atleast in some way he was making up for it by comeing a watcher. As far as Giles having logical reasons for wanting Spike dead, I think that is just another example of how non-Giles like he was. The 'real' Giles would have considered things from all angles and would have been more inclines to help Spike break the trigger to use him for good in the fight rather than just kill him right out
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Giles
Feb 19, 2007 22:52:57 GMT 10
Post by Glenn on Feb 19, 2007 22:52:57 GMT 10
Giles wouldnt have gone behind Buffy's back like that. Not after the raw emotion that happened off the back of the Cruciamentum when Giles took her powers away sneakily.
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Giles
Feb 20, 2007 10:03:48 GMT 10
Post by Allan on Feb 20, 2007 10:03:48 GMT 10
But you also need to take into consideration that Giles has forced him away from Buffy, deciding that he can't be a father figure. He made a conscious decision in that regard.
Also, look at Angel's return. Had things escalated to the point of Season 7, and Angel was at risk of becoming a huge liability, I don't think Giles would have hesitated to kill him.
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Giles
Feb 20, 2007 18:02:31 GMT 10
Post by shred on Feb 20, 2007 18:02:31 GMT 10
I like Giles. I wouldn't say he's my favourite character but I wouldn't say he's not either. What I like about Giles is how supportive, loyal and loving he is to Buffy. I think that was shown quite obviously in Helpless. And I like how he was probably the only character who thinks logically and with his head, rather than with his heart like Willow, Xander and Buffy tend to do. I had a lot of respect for Giles for deciding to move away from the Scoobies in season 6. His timing really sucks but I can see where he was coming from. But on hindsight, he should have stayed with Buffy till she sorted her problems before leaving. That's the least he could do as Buffy's father figure, in my opinion. I mean, yes, he wanted to stop being her father figure but you can't turn your child away when he/she is crying out for help. As for Season 7 Giles, I was more upset that we didn't get to see him more. For Joss saying that he would be going back to the beginning in season 7 and then to have less of Giles? It was pretty disappointing. And we did see him, I never felt him as the Giles of the old but more of a stranger. Not a total stranger but his actions do make me go "Hmmm...is that Giles?!" After watching Helpless and then watching season 7, you wouldn't have guess that this same father figure of Buffy would go behind Buffy's back like that. I was definitely disappointed with the writers.
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Giles
Feb 20, 2007 20:58:32 GMT 10
Post by Allan on Feb 20, 2007 20:58:32 GMT 10
As for Season 7 Giles, I was more upset that we didn't get to see him more. For Joss saying that he would be going back to the beginning in season 7 and then to have less of Giles? It was pretty disappointing. I wouldn't blame Joss for that, though. It was due to Anthomy Stewart Head moving back to England and not being available as a regular. I was actually pleasantly surprised by how many episodes he was in, all things considered. Still, Giles as a regular would have been better.
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Giles
Feb 21, 2007 2:07:59 GMT 10
Post by shred on Feb 21, 2007 2:07:59 GMT 10
True. But I do blame Joss and the writers for not having consistancy in his character whenever Giles was on. On a different note, I always wonder why Giles didn't have another love interest after Olivia. I thought he was cute when he was in love with Jenny. All that stammering and the glasses wiping.
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Giles
Feb 21, 2007 9:42:11 GMT 10
Post by Allan on Feb 21, 2007 9:42:11 GMT 10
Oh, definitely. But I'd already given my thoughts on that aspect, so I just responded to the "less Giles" bit. I thought the whole "Giles in love" thing had been done well with Jenny, and didn't need to be revisited. The Olivia thing worked, because he was moving on in his life (and apparently wasn't in love, which worked IMO).
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Giles
Feb 21, 2007 9:47:08 GMT 10
Post by Paul on Feb 21, 2007 9:47:08 GMT 10
i really like giles, which is a suprise cos i dont normally like posh people, i was really dissapointed that he didnt get his own spin off show, i heard rumours years ago about the watcher or ripper, i think the bbc wanted to do it, shame
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