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Post by Glenn on Mar 6, 2007 2:02:38 GMT 10
Even when Angels's life seemed pretty much perfect, (his son seemed to have forgiven him and fought to protect him from Wolfram & Hart AND the woman he loved had called for a romantic meeting up on the bluffs) he didnt achieve perfect happiness. I mean he was humming and whistling for God sake
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Post by Beck on Mar 6, 2007 7:54:24 GMT 10
Yeah I don't think perfect happiness would ever occur for Angel again. The only reason it was able to occur in the first place is because he didn't know he would lose his soul. Though it still seems a bit odd he would have achieved that at all but oh well, it fit the storyline As for getting the clause removed - would Angel ever even agree? Does he think he deserves to be perfectly happy?
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Post by Glenn on Mar 6, 2007 7:58:27 GMT 10
He could see it as a way to prevent Angelus ever coming back so maybe he would do it for that reason.
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Post by Laura on Mar 6, 2007 9:28:37 GMT 10
That's a good point Beck, but I do agree with Glenn.
It would prevent Angelus from returning, and he would not have to worry about perfect happiness again. It may be kind of selfish of him to not do it simply because he doesn't think he deserves it, because it could save lives by removing Angelus from the picture.
And if Willow did find a way to remove the curse, what would Buffy do? Heck, what would Angel do without that burden? Do you think Buffy and Angel would give it another chance? Things would still not be ideal for their relationship, but it is one thing made right. Plus, they did seem like they would eventually give it another chance, when they talked in Buffy.
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Post by Allan on Mar 6, 2007 18:19:19 GMT 10
I agree with Glenn that Angel would probably get rid of the perfect happiness curse to eliminate any chance of Angelus returning. It wouldn't be about being able to be happy, it'd be about the greater good. And before anyone says "but can't he just do that by not being happy?", we saw what happens if someone decides to slip Angel a pill... I agree with Beck that the only reason it happened the first time is that Angel didn't realise it was possible. If he'd known, he would have thought of something like crushed puppies while they were doing the deed. More seriously, he would have been careful, or not allowed it to happen. To me, the idea of "perfect happieness" is a romantic notion, but something outside the realm of possibility.
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Post by jeanvic on Mar 7, 2007 9:21:06 GMT 10
Agreed because as Wesley says, couples can live there lives being only 90% happy and they still have good lives.
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Post by Lexie on Mar 9, 2007 2:01:36 GMT 10
Isn't the clause described by Jenny's uncle as a moment when the deeds of his past no longer plague him? A moment of peace? Looking at it that way I think it's possible--I really don't think Angel was dwelling on all the bad things he's done when he was making love to Buffy. I don't think that happens in real life either.
"I'm making love to the person I love. This is great. But oh I can't forget all the bad things I've done" Yeah, that makes sense :rolleyes:
If the loophole in the curse was ever to be "fixed" or removed I think the most plausible time would be when he's at Wolfram and Hart because it's been made pretty clear that Wolfram and Hart has practically everything on the supernatural. You never know, it might even be in their special Angel file.
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Post by Laura on Mar 9, 2007 9:58:02 GMT 10
Isn't the clause described by Jenny's uncle as a moment when the deeds of his past no longer plague him? A moment of peace? Looking at it that way I think it's possible--I really don't think Angel was dwelling on all the bad things he's done when he was making love to Buffy. I don't think that happens in real life either. "I'm making love to the person I love. This is great. But oh I can't forget all the bad things I've done" Yeah, that makes sense True, but after it happened the first time, I don't think Angel would completey forget about the chance that he may become Angelus. Things like that can haunt you without you even knowing it, making true happiness impossible. If the loophole in the curse was ever to be "fixed" or removed I think the most plausible time would be when he's at Wolfram and Hart because it's been made pretty clear that Wolfram and Hart has practically everything on the supernatural. You never know, it might even be in their special Angel file. That is a very good point. You would think Wolfram and Hart would know how to reverse it. However, I doubt they would want to do that.
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Post by Lexie on Mar 10, 2007 4:06:23 GMT 10
No, I agree. I was refering to the first time, when he didn't know.
Of course they wouldn't, but when Angel is CEO there would be no one to stop him.
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Post by Allan on Mar 10, 2007 22:01:57 GMT 10
Of course they wouldn't, but when Angel is CEO there would be no one to stop him. Wasn't it established that as CEO, Angel didn't really have that much power? I'd see them witholding clause removal as more a means to try and keep him inline. They'd make it known that they have the power to remove it, but only if he's a good little boy.
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Post by Glenn on Mar 11, 2007 1:25:58 GMT 10
Even then he wouldnt allow them to perform any magics on him unless Wesley had done a thorough check on the texts. But W&H are sneaky
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Post by Lexie on Mar 12, 2007 4:41:40 GMT 10
Yeah, he didn't have any "power" per say, as in he couldn't stop the Senior Partners from doing whatever the Hell they wanted, but he had "authority" at least somewhat over the earthly Wolfram and Hart and there would be no one to stop him from raiding their extensive collection on the supernatural. As Glenn said, he owuld have Wes check, double check and triple check it, but I see that as the most plausible time because that's when he has the most resources. Am I making sense?
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