Most Unforgivable

[Beck]

From the characters on the show who HAVE a soul, what do you consider to be the most unforgivable act? Faith is an obvious choice, she murdered, but aside from her, who did something you think is totally unforgivable and why? Does Anya's actions as Anyanka count?

[Glenn]

I'm not really sure what happens when a person is transformed into a vengeance demon. When Anya was turned for a second time she seemed just the same person, same feelings, same personality so i can only assume that all that happens is that they are given immortality and powers rather than a complete transformation. She killed, maimed and ruined the lives of potentially Millions of men all because one guy cheated on her. That always bothered me and is probably the main reason i was never completely on board with her character. She never truly showed any remorse for her actions (after she became human the first time) and she kept telling stories about the horrible things she had done which she often finds amusing and not all that wrong.

[jeanvic]

No act is unforgivable, IMO. All are worthy of redemption. Actually, the truly unforgivable act is the act of not taking the chance. What I mean is, Angel, Faith, Spike etc all took the chance to be redeemed when it was offered. It is unforgivable to reject it though because that shows no remorse for past deeds.

[Allan]

Hmm... it's a tough call. I'd also put Willow up there in the potentially unforgivable acts too, though. The characters have sought redemption in most cases, which does make it difficult. To me, it's the characters hurting others emotionally which gets to me more. Like Xander dumping Anya at the altar, and Riley going to vampire hookers.

[shred]

It's a toss up between Faith's actions and Willow's actions to me. For me, the thing that makes an action unforgiveable if the character doesn't seek redemption/atonment for it. So it's really hard to say which act is unforgiveable as nearly all the characters seek redemption for it.

But I have to agree with Allan though. Xander leaving Anya at the alter and Riley going to vamp hookers are pretty unforgiveable.

[Vyse]

I'd probably say Warren. He murdered willingly and never showed any remorse. Then Faith. But at least after seeing how she changed on AtS I can give her credit for the fact that she's trying to make up for it, which is something that Warren never did. Willow did an horrifying thing too, but she was badly suffering for losing Tara. And as far as Xander and Riley are concerned, yes, what they did was awful, but I honestly don't think it can be compared to murder in any way.

EDIT: forgot to add that Parker deserves a place in here too! LOL!

[shred]

I totally forgot about Warren! If we are talking about people outside the Scooby Gang, then Warren would be on top of my list.

What he did was definitely unforgiveable. At least Andrew and Jonathan had the decency to repent.

[Allan]

Andrew and Jonathan did have the decency to repent. But given the opportunity, do you think that Warren would have?

[shred]

batmite79 said:

Andrew and Jonathan did have the decency to repent. But given the opportunity, do you think that Warren would have?

I don't think he would. Unlike Jonathan and Andrew, Warren was power hungry than anything else. Jonathan and Andrew wanted to be noticed by everyone else, wanted to make a mark on the world. I don't think I can say the same for Warren.

So, yeah, I don't think he would have redeemed himself if he was given the opportunity. He was too power hungry to care in my opinion.

[Beck]

Ok guys, by saying aside from Faith I meant aside from the murders committed, obviously those are more unforgivable than anything else By unforgivable I mean what can't YOU personally forgive them for doing

[Allan]

Hmm... Faith's shenanigans while in Buffy's body were pretty unforgiveable. But that said, it messed her up severely, and I kind of think she was as much a victim of her actions as Buffy.

[Nico]

Tara. She may not have murdered anyone, but they way she dealt with willow was truly aweful, you dont abandon the love of your life (apparently) and then go back when you think they are all better.

[Beck]

This thread didn't get nearly enough responses! I also didn't give an actual answer myself

I agree the way Tara handled things with Willow wasn't good, but don't forget Willow drained her memories knowing what happened to her in Season 4 with Glory. Willow's actions there simply to avoid fighting were more unforgivable than Tara leaving. Can anyone honestly say that if their partner hurt them that much, addiction or not, would you still stay when they did it not once - but twice. The second time after Tara had already said she would give another chance if Willow went without magicks. I also don't believe Tara truly abandoned her, she kept in contact and checked on everyone. Willow herself admits when she is well again that Tara was right to leave.

Faith's treatment of Buffy to me was unforgivable. After everything Buffy had tried to do for her, after how close those two had become I thought it was awful. Yet Buffy kept trying to help her over and over, even when Faith awoke from her coma Buffy hoped things would be ok for Faith. Then Faith taking her body and the things she did, were even worse.

I never forgave Xander for leaving Anya at the altar. It still makes me cry. Worst of all he left her alone to deal with everything and took off for days.

[shred]

The gang kicking Buffy out of her house. Not sure why I didn't add this before but I think that's pretty unforgivable. Did they say sorry for that? I can't remember. :-\

I can understand their points and reasons but they still shouldn't have done that after what Buffy has done for them over the years.

[Nico]

I disagreed with that whole scene also, although I don't think it is unforgivable I don't understand kicking your best friend out onto the streets at the brink of an apocalypse when she is clearly under major stress and a bit of a power hunger but then again, I guess it all worked out.

[Ange]

To me Xander when he called the song and dance demon, he never even blamed himelf for that. Warren is the worst though, I waould really only classify him as unforgivable.

[Shaun]

Yeah that wasn't written very well, it made no sense

I don't think anything was done that is unforgivable other than the murders. I'm not sure seeking redemption for that sort of thing makes it forgivable.