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Post by Paul on Feb 5, 2007 8:25:08 GMT 10
there was a time when i told everyone that i was never going to read h.p. but my daughter eventually wore me down and i gave in, i have to say that whilst reading the first book i thought i hated it. i wanted all the characters to just die i thought they were that dull "apart from snape" but there was something about the story that made it impossible to put the book down, i dont care who die's but i MUST read it, and all the books have had the same effect on me. very addictive reading
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Post by Laura on Feb 5, 2007 8:30:21 GMT 10
How more justified when the characters of Harry Potter are younger? Buffy and the gang save the world so many times and never get credit. That sounds selfish, but it is human nature to want some kind of reward or praise for one's actions. Everyone knows Harry Potter is famous and he acts like it is such a burden. All Buffy gets is criticism. Plus, Buffy has gone through so much, especially being a Slayer. She has a very large burden. Harry Potter was supposed to be able to resistant Voldemort's magic because he was powerful, but I never saw any impressive power from him. I found Buffy amazing, and she earned her power. She was Chosen. How more justified when the characters of Harry Potter are younger? The thing is Snape may not even be a traiter. But i guess you have to be a fan to know what im talking about  Why shouldnt they have died? Also why distasteful, Sirius fell through a curtain. Regardless, Dumbledore should have done more then just died. He really helped so much  . And as for their deaths, I found Sirius death to be annoying and stupid. It did not even change the storyline that much, like the deaths in Buffy did. Buffy was "good versus evil, good struggles someone dies" but i wouldnt call it blah blah blah Maybe Buffy was, but Joss handled it much better. Harry Potter was weak, boring, and redundant and yes I call that blah blah blah. |
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Post by Glenn on Feb 5, 2007 8:44:38 GMT 10
Buffy and the gang save the world so many times and never get credit. That sounds selfish, but it is human nature to want some kind of reward or praise for one's actions. Everyone knows Harry Potter is famous and he acts like it is such a burden. All Buffy gets is criticism. Plus, Buffy has gone through so much, especially being a Slayer. She has a very large burden. Harry Potter was supposed to be able to resistant Voldemort's magic because he was powerful, but I never saw any impressive power from him. I found Buffy amazing, and she earned her power. She was Chosen. harry's parents were killed when he was one year old and he was raised by "family" who made him sleep in a closet under the stairs. Plus he has scorn poured on him from lots of people. He isnt universally loved in the Wizarding world. He has had it tough. I dont know why being famous for surviving a murder attempt that left him without parents lies so heavy on him Regardless, Dumbledore should have done more then just died. He really helped so much . It would take far too long to explain what Dumbledore has done for the wizarding world and for Harry |
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Post by Laura on Feb 5, 2007 8:48:51 GMT 10
Buffy and the gang save the world so many times and never get credit. That sounds selfish, but it is human nature to want some kind of reward or praise for one's actions. Everyone knows Harry Potter is famous and he acts like it is such a burden. All Buffy gets is criticism. Plus, Buffy has gone through so much, especially being a Slayer. She has a very large burden. Harry Potter was supposed to be able to resistant Voldemort's magic because he was powerful, but I never saw any impressive power from him. I found Buffy amazing, and she earned her power. She was Chosen. harry's parents were killed when he was one years old and he was raised by "family" who made him sleep in a closet under the stairs. Plus he has scorn poured on him from lots of people. He isnt universally loved in the Wizarding world. He has had it tough. I dont know why being famous for surviving a murder attempt that left him without parents lies so heavy on him I am not saying Harry hasn't had a lot happen to him, I am saying that Buffy also has faced a lot in her life. Harry Potter has friends, and although Buffy does too they can never understand what it is like to be a Slayer. Regardless, Dumbledore should have done more then just died. He really helped so much . It would take far too long to explain what Dumbledore has done for the wizarding world and for Harry I know Dumbledore did a lot, but he cannot do anything more, can he? And Harry Potter could really use his help. |
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Post by Glenn on Feb 5, 2007 8:52:38 GMT 10
Harry's friends cant know what its like to have lived in his shoes either.
Dumbledore didnt choose to die, but if in doing so he spares other lives then thats the type of man he was. I remember Giles leaving in season 6 right after he found out Buffy was brought back from heaven.
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Post by Laura on Feb 5, 2007 8:54:52 GMT 10
Harry's friends cant know what its like to have lived in his shoes either. Dumbledore didnt choose to die, but if in doing so he spares other lives then thats the type of man he was. I remember Giles leaving in season 6 right after he found out Buffy was brought back from heaven. And, as you recall, Giles returned in the 7th season to help Buffy once again. Unless Dumbledore is planning on coming back from the dead, he is useless now, even if he has helped and saved many. |
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Post by Glenn on Feb 5, 2007 8:56:47 GMT 10
He left though, and look what happened to all the characters. Dumbledore threw himself to the wolves to save other lives.
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Post by Laura on Feb 5, 2007 8:59:53 GMT 10
He left though, and look what happened to all the characters. Dumbledore threw himself to the wolves to save other lives. The same things would have happened to the characters even if Giles had stayed. Plus, the characters needed that growth time. And we'll see how Harry does in the next book without Dumbledore's wisdom. |
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Post by Beck on Feb 5, 2007 8:59:57 GMT 10
Alright I love both Harry Potter and BtVS and I'm not going to compare the two, they're completely different. For a start HP is for kids and adults alike, whereas BtVS is set at the teen/young adult audience. HP is abourt kids, for kids. Its just smartly enough written to appeal to all ages. It sold that many books because its a brilliant series. The idea of witchcraft in a school may not be original (though good enough for Charmed to rip off ) but the way its written, the back stories, the original slants JKR put on it, its different to any other witchcraft series before it. As to spin offs - there will never be an official one, JKR doesn't want to ruin her series by overdoing it. There was always planned 7 books from the beginning, one for each year of Hogwarts - thats why the students all have 7 years at hogwarts. Any spinoff or prequel will be fanfiction. As for Dumbeldore not doing more? Pfft. He'd done all he could. Besides, I don't like what numerous characters did in HP, or BtVS, or Ats, or any other series on the planet. The series is pure brilliance, and if you guys can't enjoy it well... each to their own. People like different things, but its still a great series. |
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Post by Laura on Feb 5, 2007 9:06:59 GMT 10
Alright I love both Harry Potter and BtVS and I'm not going to compare the two, they're completely different. For a start HP is for kids and adults alike, whereas BtVS is set at the teen/young adult audience. HP is abourt kids, for kids. Its just smartly enough written to appeal to all ages. I believe Harry Potter began for kids, but if you haven't noticed the series is getting darker and moving away from its intial target audience. I know it is supposed to grow with its audience, but I have grown with it and the older I got, the more I hated it. As for the rest you said, I agree and disagree but I do not feel like starting another back and forth argument...especially with an admin . We are all just going to have to agree to disagree...sept you and Glenn who just agree haha. |
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Post by Glenn on Feb 5, 2007 9:10:31 GMT 10
It ma have moved from its initial target audience but its embraced people of all ages now and i dont see that as a bad Hell no, debate with her, she loves it  (HAHA Beck the scary admin) |
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Post by Beck on Feb 5, 2007 9:12:40 GMT 10
Harry Potter is growing up with its initial audience As did Buffy, and most other successful series. For the people who started reading HP in the beginning to continue reading, it needed to grow up with them - like the characters had to. So the target audience is still the same - young readers start with the first book, and continue reading as they grow older Which parts do you agree/disagree with? I'm happy to go back and forth until you concede my points Where's the fun in agreeing to disagree?  LOL Glenn, yes I do And I'm not scary, I'm a meek little wallflower! |
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Post by Kate on Feb 5, 2007 9:20:14 GMT 10
This could become very interesting!
I hate Buffy and Love Harry!
Well yeah cause there is 10 years between the characters!
um, yeah. Kill her bring her back, kill vampires, kill her, bring her back, sleep with vampires, kill other vampires! Very unique!
Is it just me or did she kill Vampires in every episode? I'd say that was pretty repetitive personally.
So are tv shows about vampires and demons
See thats where it shows that you haven't read the books and are now starting to try and discredit the HP Charachters to make the Buffy ones seem superior.
It isnt working.
While we could continue arguing over who is better we need to realise that the two are not all that different.
They both have the good v's evil plot lines.
They both have the main character sacrificing something for the rest of the world.
You dont like Harry, I dont like Buffy.
It isnt all that unusual for people to like different things.
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Post by Beck on Feb 5, 2007 9:28:31 GMT 10
Actually there were 7 years, and Buffy was a heck of a lot more unique than what you are saying and no it was not all "kill vampires" in every episode  In no way at all is Buffy anything like that, so yep thats just you. I disagree with HP being repetitive as well, but like I said they are two completely different series. All shows/movies/books that have a hero have good vs evil, good making sacrifices etc - doesn't make them alike at all. This thread isn't Buffy vs Harry Potter guys  Its about HP. Want to compare the two, start a new thread for it so this one doesn't continue to get off topic. |
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Post by Laura on Feb 5, 2007 9:30:26 GMT 10
Haha, alright Beck. As you wish . It sold that many books because its a brilliant series. The idea of witchcraft in a school may not be original (though good enough for Charmed to rip off ) but the way its written, the back stories, the original slants JKR put on it, its different to any other witchcraft series before it. As to spin offs - there will never be an official one, JKR doesn't want to ruin her series by overdoing it. There was always planned 7 books from the beginning, one for each year of Hogwarts - thats why the students all have 7 years at hogwarts. Any spinoff or prequel will be fanfiction. JKR isn't trying to overdo it? I believe that's what she's been doing ever since the 5th book. I started to hate the series at the 5th book, as many annoying characters came in and the deaths came about (yes, I am a broken record ;D). Whenever I read the books, I feel like JKR is trying to hard to make the characters grow up. That is not a bad thing, but when you do it by killing all of the main character's advisors (Dumbledore, Sirius), then yes, it can become annoying. And, Kate: um, yeah. Kill her bring her back, kill vampires, kill her, bring her back, sleep with vampires, kill other vampires! Very unique! Is it just me or did she kill Vampires in every episode? I'd say that was pretty repetitive personally. So are tv shows about vampires and demons I don't know if you failed to see me say that maybe the vampire aspect wasn't unique, but the Slayer idea was. And, please, rewatch all of the Buffy seasons if you think that is all that happens in Buffy. Wow, was it just me or in every book did Harry cast spells. It's called a theme! Maybe so, but in any of these shows was there a Slayer who faced many problems as she struggled to grow up with family and friends? Didn't think so. And no I am not discrediting HP characters. I know Dumbledore did a lot. What I was saying was that he did not do much to prevent his death. Okay, I'm done with HP vs. Btvs, because I am clearly right. haha, just kidding. We all have our opinions. |
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Post by Beck on Feb 5, 2007 9:34:51 GMT 10
JKR isn't trying to overdo it? I believe that's what she's been doing ever since the 5th book. I started to hate the series at the 5th book, as many annoying characters came in and the deaths came about (yes, I am a broken record ;D). Whenever I read the books, I feel like JKR is trying to hard to make the characters grow up. That is not a bad thing, but when you do it by killing all of the main character's advisors (Dumbledore, Sirius), then yes, it can become annoying. Ah so you did think it was well written and enjoyed it before then She had 7 books planned from the beginning, she;s doing what she always sought to do. Annoying characters will be present in all series, as will deaths. None of the deaths were pointless, though I do agree Sirius shouldn't have been killed (cause I love him  ) JKR is forcing her characters to grow up through their experiences yes. Its the way its meant to be, its not a book of happy happy. Its about struggle, facing your adversaries and growing up. This thread isn't Buffy vs Harry Potter guys Its about HP. Want to compare the two, start a new thread for it so this one doesn't continue to get off topic. |
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Post by Bre on Feb 6, 2007 4:50:09 GMT 10
Is it just me or did she kill Vampires in every episode? I'd say that was pretty repetitive personally. The name of the show is Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She's bound to slay some vampires. Anyway ... I can see where people might think HP isn't unique if you haven't opened your mind while reading it. Sure there are a lot of witchcraft stories (it is a fascinating topic, imo) but that doesn't mean the story and the characters aren't original. And to me they are. I've never read any story even close to HP before it's time. I guess your entitled to your own opinion ... but I think it's one of the best stories ever told.  |
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(HAHA Beck the scary admin)
In no way at all is Buffy anything like that, so yep thats just you. 
Its about HP. Want to compare the two, start a new thread for it so this one doesn't continue to get off topic.
) JKR is forcing her characters to grow up through their experiences yes. Its the way its meant to be, its not a book of happy happy. Its about struggle, facing your adversaries and growing up. 
