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Post by Beck on Jul 6, 2006 10:27:28 GMT 10
I don't think Hermoine will die, I'm not sure it would have a big enough impact on the readers  |
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Post by Glenn on Jul 6, 2006 21:32:01 GMT 10
No it wouldnt
I remember that i thought she was killed in Order of the Phoenix and though a little upset i was just relieved it wasnt someone else lol
Ron would have a huge impact, he is Harry's best friend and JK has made it clear in her books how Harry just cant get through everyday life without him. Its quite sweet actually.
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Post by Lizzie on Jul 6, 2006 22:33:21 GMT 10
Well all through the books she has been dropping hints that Ron might be the one to go - and she's now said that one character she had always intended to die now gets to live. That is why I think it might be Hermione - she holds Ron and Harry together.
"One character got a reprieve. But I have to say two die that I didn't intend to die," she said. "A price has to be paid. We are dealing with pure evil here. They don't target extras do they? They go for the main characters. Well, I do."
So, what constitutes a main character? Harry, Ron, Hermione, Snape, Hagrid?
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Post by Casi on Aug 5, 2006 4:02:04 GMT 10
I had to vote for the fifth book. I don't actually know why though...I think maybe because it was really hard for me to read. I mean...there were moments when I was just blind with rage at Umbridge, and then the whole veild sitch, which I won't get into because I know there are people on the forum reading the books for the first time, but...well it really did me in.
It had a lot of stuff in it that a lot of people didn't like, but I think it really is the best one for involving the reader and moving the story.
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Post by Lexie on Aug 5, 2006 4:58:01 GMT 10
I liked OOTP too. It's not my favorite (POA all the way!) but I really enjoyed it. I don't like the Harry/Cho relationship, but I think it was needed. I liked the angst and the DA. I loved the Weasley twins and the Department of Mysteries was great.
As for the death debate...well, I'm not positive about the seventh book, though I have a gut feeling it's going to be Ron, but I firmly believe that at the end of the series Harry and Voldemort will both die. It's sad and I'll definitly cry, but I will be surprised if JKR doesn't do that. Are we seriously suppossed to believe that after all the crap Harry's been through he'd be able to live happily ever after?? Well, we'll just have to wait and see...
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Post by Casi on Aug 5, 2006 5:09:12 GMT 10
I have to agree. I just don't think Harry is going to be able to survive this final fight. They're too connected and I don't think either of them can live if the other is dead. The theory that Harry is a horcrux could definitely be true, but I guess we won't know till next year.
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Post by Lexie on Aug 20, 2006 3:15:13 GMT 10
I was just thinking about Harry being a horcrux. I think that theory is well based with the transferance of some of Voldemort's power to Harry when Voldemort tried to kill him as a baby and their extreme connection. It makes sense and would also give more support to the theory that Harry will die in the end. He would have to die for Voldemort to die.
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Post by Glenn on Aug 20, 2006 7:41:20 GMT 10
Its a sound theory. Its just Dumbledore was going about destroying all the horcruxes. That would mean once Harry defeated Voldemort someone else would have to kill Harry, or he would have to kill himself. I cant see that happening. But you never know.
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Post by Casi on Aug 21, 2006 3:55:42 GMT 10
Well...I think...sometimes....Dumbledore, for all his infinite wisdom, overlooks certain aspects of what he must do. He always looks for the good in people, even when it's not there, to his detriment, like with Tom Riddle. I think it's entirely possible that while the idea that Harry might be a horcrux had occured to him, he probably dismissed it. Either out of a blind hope that it hadn't happened, or out of a desire to deal with it later, as he did with the task of explaining to Harry his role in the downfall of Voldemort.
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Post by Glenn on Aug 21, 2006 5:49:23 GMT 10
I will hate it if Harry is a horcrux. Too many people have speculated that, and usually means that JKR doesnt do it. I couldnt name one person who guessed the Half Blood Prince was who it was.
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Post by Beck on Aug 21, 2006 9:05:23 GMT 10
I also am not too sure about Harry being a Horcrux. Its too obvious, and JKR is fantastic at shocking people and going for the unexpected. Anything like that, its too obvious for her to do imo. So I don't think Harry will be a Horcrux, and I'm not too sure I think he'll die anymore. Cause people expect it.
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Post by Casi on Aug 21, 2006 9:18:25 GMT 10
I dunno. I think it's obvious to us now because we've all bandied it about as a plausible theory for so long. That...and it's just damn difficult to end the series, with the way it's set up now, without killing Harry. And him being a horcrux seems like a natural answer.
And just because the fans know something doesn't mean she doesn't do it. The fan community had said that Harry's middle name was James for years before it ever made an appearance in the books. We said it because it was obvious. This could be a similar happening.
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Post by Glenn on Aug 21, 2006 9:20:58 GMT 10
His middle name isnt exactly a huge plot point though. Not as huge as him being a horcrux.
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Post by Beck on Aug 21, 2006 9:23:31 GMT 10
Yeah with plor twists its different. Which is why I'm starting to be unsure abour the direction Snape is going to take  Because people want him to be good so much, I dont know if he will be. I HATE the idea of him actually being on the side of Voldemort. Harry doesnt have to die for the series to end. Voldemort does. |
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Post by Casi on Aug 21, 2006 10:06:31 GMT 10
Thats not what I meant. I just meant that simply because the fans agree that something is likely true doesn't mean she'll go the opposite direction. And, whats more, she's known how the series was going to end long before we even started pondering if he could be a horcrux. For all we know, she made the decision to go that road way back in book one. The middle name was just an example guys.  And as for him dying...well she doesn't want the series to continue. And she doesn't approve of fanfiction. And, what with the obscure wording of the prophecy, it seems entirely likely that Harry won't survive the final battle. |
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Post by Glenn on Aug 21, 2006 10:08:28 GMT 10
Yeah but she has shown how quickly she is willing to change things. She has decided to kill off two characters who were not slated to die and has given one a reprieve. Thats a huge change. Without the shock factor she has nothing to work with.
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Post by Casi on Aug 21, 2006 11:02:44 GMT 10
Not necessarily. Just look at book six. I mean...she dropped hints almost from the first page as to what was going to happen in the end. Shock isn't everything. Not in a long running series like this.
Even if Harry isn't a horcrux, I still don't think he'll live. I mean, I'd love him to, and if he does, I'll throw a bloody party, but it just doesn't seem likely to me, and therefore I'm not holding my breath. With everything that has happened, and the way book six played out...I just think he doesn't stand much of a chance. I'm sure he'll take voldemort down with him, but I don't think he'll live to tell the tale.
Although it would add a rather poignent new meaning to the title "The boy who lived" I suppose.
EDIT: Just finished rereading Chamber of Secrets. It is, as JK Rowling put it, the "giveaway" book. And I'm now convinced, more than ever, that Harry is a horcrux (though I can still harbor a small amount of hope that it's not true).
When Harry and Dumbledore are talking, Dumbledore tells him he can speak Parseltongue because Voldemort could and he transfered some of his power. Harry says, and I quote, "Voldemort put part of himself in me?" And Dumbledore replies, "It would certainly seem so."
It just makes sense.
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Post by Glenn on Aug 21, 2006 23:06:41 GMT 10
I guess it seems pluasible. But if part of Voldemorts soul was inside Harry, wouldnt he perhaps act a little more evil.
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Post by Paul on Aug 22, 2006 2:35:28 GMT 10
i think harry is a horcrux and i think he's gonna die, if jk keeps him alive the temptatiom to write another book would be to great and she has said the next is the last.
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Post by Casi on Aug 22, 2006 4:17:26 GMT 10
I don't think a piece of his soul would make him evil. I mean...his soul is in other things. Can a ring be evil? Can a cup be evil? I think the only reason the one in the diary was really evil was because it was specifically designed to be. The young Tom Riddle says quite plainly that he intended his memory to take control of someone in later years and force them to open the chamber. But with the others...I don't think it would necessarily effect Harry too much.
However, with how terrible he is at occlumency, it's a wonder no one has figured it out yet.
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Because people want him to be good so much, I dont know if he will be. I HATE the idea of him actually being on the side of Voldemort. Harry doesnt have to die for the series to end. Voldemort does. 
