Stargate SG-1 & Atlantis

[Allan]

Apr 30, 2008 3:30:39 GMT 10 Nico said:

Lorne is great, they develope his character to, I'm hoping the show alot more of him!

I'm hoping they show a lot more of Teyla, but given the type of show, I'm not counting on that happening.

It's funny how characters can become a lot more three dimensional when they have more screentime. It's happened with a few characters, and generally, it's for the better.

I haven't gotten far into the Wraith's background with season three yet (five episodes in) - looking forward to it, though.

I watched "Sedata" this evening, and it was great. I'm really liking Ronon after this episode, and loved seeing his backstory. I also loved the dodgy, cliche-ridden action scenes. They really went out with getting every action hero cliche they could cram into the episode in there.

[Nico]

Ohh, if you like Teyla's character Allan, she has alot of interesting story arcs coming up! .

Alot of people ask why Sheppard is in every episode and always the center of attention, but I find McKay to be more of the center of attention, Sheppard being head of security, and the Main offworld team , makes sense!.

What did you think of the Genii? have you seen (I think its call eye of the storm, not sure) .

Sateda had some great effects, that mustve been a great episode to write and I think it helped the fans relate more to Ronon.

[Allan]

Oh, I just meant because she's hot. But she's a cool character too, and it is good to hear she'll have more to do. After the Wrath revelation, they haven't done much else with her.

Do you mean "The Storm" and "The Eye", Nico? They were season one episodes, I think. They were enjoyable, and I really like what they've done with the Genii. I haven't seen anything further that "Coup D'etat", which was a great episode. I'm expecting we'll see them explored further with the new leadership.

I think Sheppard's the centre of attention, and it does make sense. He is the head of security, and considering much of the show is about fighting aliens, it would make sense. If the show was a medical drama, then Carson would be the centre of attention. I see Rodney as a very close second, though, because he and Sheppard play off each other so well.

[Nico]

So you have already met...damn I cant remember his name, the leader of the Genii? . There was a great scene on one of those episodes you mentioned where sheppard closes the shield on the Stargate as the Genii are coming threw and all you hear is clashes as they obviously cant materialise at the other end, one of my favourite scenes.

[Allan]

The first leader, who was friends with Teyla? I can't remember his name either. Or the new leader, Radim? He's kind of cool, but my favourite Genii character has to be Kolya. The dude's just awesome. The early episodes with the Genii were great - both sides really got nasty with each other. Though, tonight I watched "Common Ground", with Kolya capturing Sheppard and feeding him to the Wraith. Cool episode, but the ending was a bit of a cop out, I thought.

I also watched "McKay and Mrs Miller", and thought it was great. It was also cool to see David Hewlett's sister playing his sister on the show.

I think I'll have to go back to disc 2 of Season 3, though - I think I missed "The Real World" somehow.

[Nico]

Ah Koyla is who I mean, I think his character is great to , and yeah it was a bit of a cop out but it does show that the Wraith can return life just as easily as they can take it, and in McKays words they even made sheppard younger than he originally was .

McKay & Mrs Miller is a brilliant episode I love when McKay is describing his sister to (Carter I think) and when talking about smarts he says "I mean, she was no me, of course, but she was at least a you" .

Interesting Episode "The Real World" but you didnt miss much

[Allan]

Showing that the Wraith can give life is interesting if they use it later in the series. And when the Wraith sapped life from Sheppard the second time, I knew there was going to be a cop out, and was disappointed. If he just did it to him once, and took a few years, I think it would have made for a powerful story. Though I did laugh at Rodney complaining that Sheppard was a bit younger (kind of makes up for the six months he lost while in the Ancient sanctuary ).

"McKay and Mrs Miller" was full of great moments, and I loved the "Meredith" bits. They make so much sense for Rodney's character.

I watched "The Real World" tonight and agree. It's one of those episodes that's enjoyable, but has no baring on the overarching plot. I also watched "Echoes" which was interesting (and Rodney naming his "friend" whale after Sam Carter was amusing), and both parts of "The Return", which had some of the funniest scenes I've seen yet. It was also cool to see Alan Ruck in it, even if he was nothing like Stuart in Spin City.

Now I only have two discs left to get through before my supply runs out. And since they're currently screening season 3 on TV here, it'll be a little while before I get to see season 4, sadly.

[Nico]

Yeah I thought they should have finished with only the one feeding to, it was strange they took it further from that point on it did kind of spoil it as like you said, there was no chance he would be left like that.

The episode when Sheppherd goes to the Ancient Sanctuary is one of my favourites! when he is looking at the black tar stuff after he passes threw and says "this would be a bad time to throw that rock I asked you to 2 hours ago .

Have you seen the episode with Lucious yet?

[Allan]

There was no chance he'd be left like that, but I guess the episode was more about him bonding with the Wraith than anything else.

The sanctuary episode was strange, but enjoyable. There were some great lines, and I did enjoy seeing everyone trying to ascend.

And Lucius is great. It'd be enjoyable to see more of him in the show, he was just so funny. "The sick have been cured. The lame can walk again. Well, some still crawl, but they crawl a lot faster than they used to" and always asking "How do you get your hair to go like that". It was a silly episode, but he was just so funny.

[Allan]

I say it'd be enjoyable to see more Lucius, and he's on the very next episode I see.

I'm through the rest of season three now, and am going to have to wait to see season four, sadly. Aside from the Lucius reappearance, I thought "The Game" was great. It was funny, but it really brought up some strong themes about religion and power that worked well. That, and Laura Harris was in it, and she's enough to make me enjoy anything.

"First Strike" was an interesting finale. I was expecting the Replicators to play a part in it, but the episode was quite understated. I thoroughly enjoyed it, though, and the cliffhanger was brilliant.

And of course, let's not forget "Sunday", with it's twist ending. The episode was really well done the whole way through, even if the last five minutes were a depressing shock.

[Nico]

Sunday brought tears to my eyes, I unfortunately was told by my brother the plotline in advance, so I knew it was coming but I was still shocked.

You saw the episode 'Irresponsible' then? , I hated how they ended Koyla on that episode, it felt like such a waste of a bad guy with the potential to be much more powerful!.

Season 4 is great, I am actually going to rewatch the episodes, things get alot more interesting!.

[Allan]

I went in blind to "Sunday". I knew that Carson was leaving (since he isn't on the season four cast list), but wasn't expecting it in that episode (or thought he may leave after an episode or two of the following season). The death was a shock, but the whole episode was handled nicely - even through the majority of the episode, he was the focus, but they hid it well - you don't realise until after he's gone. It was brilliant writing.

But on the upside, Carson's death lead to Jewel Staite, so I really can't complain.

Yeah, I couldn't believe they got rid of Kolya like that, and I'm guessing that he doesn't manage to somehow survive and come back, which I was kind of expecting (though I was hoping to see Lt Ford again, too ). He was a great villain, though I guess Sheppard threatening to kill him and not doing it every time we saw him was getting a bit old.

Glad t hear the quality continues with season four. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing it.

[Nico]

They said at the time, when they filmed the funeral scene at the episdoe y'know how they had a scottish flag over the coffin?, they said they had wished they used a green sheet over it, because one of the extras on the show leaked the fact there was a coffin with a scottish flag and well, everyone knew who had obviously died, but apparently it ruined the shock for alot of people. (Actually that was on the Commentary I think)

It's always hard to replace main characters and keep the fans pleased, I miss Carson and prefer him to Jewels character, but I also like her and I am glad they chose her because she fits into the part brilliantly.

I am still hoping they bring Koyla back somehow!, the idea of Koyla travelling around the Stargates hunting down sheppard was exciting, you never knew what he would do or when he would appear!. Lt Ford apparently the character didnt fit into the 'feel' of the show, and the main team , I miss Ford I have high hopes he will return to!.

Season four has its ups and downs, but ofcourse everyone has there own tastes, there are many episodes I enjoyed that other people think are horrible, you will enjoy it. I am hoping they release the bloody Season 4 dvds soon !.

[Allan]

It's a shame that it was leaked, because the episode plays it up as a shock, rather than something inevitable.

I may have to start listening to the commentaries. Are they any good?

Carson was a brilliant character, and I think he'll be hard to replace. It's not often you have a genuinely "nice" character on TV, whose biggest characteristics are their compassion and how much they care. From the glimpses of Jewel in the season 3 finale, it looks like she'll be cool. I loved the conversation between her and Weir at the beginning of the episode where she's trying to get rid of the job, feeling she's not cut out for it.

With any luck, Kolya and Ford will return. I heard that they got rid of Ford after the first season, because he didn't have much to do - they figured they'd make him more interesting, and cut him back to a recurring role. But that didn't last long.

I'm hoping they releae season 4 on DVD here soon, too! I'm looking forward to seeing it.

[Nico]

Commentaries are great, with the genre of the show, there are lots of interesting things you find out, I love finding out the secrets.

Carson being a doctor is against letting anyone die, even the bad guys who will probably make him pay, he is taught to save lives no matter what, Jewel plays the same sort of character which is great!, not to spoil to much but there is a season 4 episode when Carter, Rodney & Jewel (cant remember her characters name now! lol) , get stuck down a hole, and they are trying to get some kids to help them out, and rodney tells jewel & carter to take off their tops .

[Allan]

I love finding out the secrets, too. Some people just give boring commentaries.

Carson does like to save every life no matter what, and it was a shame that it's exactly what killed him. But his bedside manner and sensitivity were great. Glad to hear that Jewel keeps that tradition alive, and I find myself wanting to see that episode now.

[Nico]

I'm not a huge fan of Director/Prducer type commentaries, but for some reasons listening to the Stargate commentaries I find so entertaining, no matter who is commentating, there is so much crazy stuff going on in the writers heads , it's ...well...crazy .

The lovely Amanda Tapping does a couple SGA commentaries to, it's great to hear the actors and directores etc; giving you two different sides to the one scene.

There was an episode they said Carson was checking a woman out for an injury, and the scene was supposed to be alot more flirty with him and the girl, but the lovely Paul McGillion said he felt weird about it because the woman was so young , so they made it more of a doctors care.

Rodney can be such a sleaze , the few stargate episodes he is in, he is all over Carter, his character is just great fun, he will flirt with any female employee! and the change from male Doctor to female Doctor is a happy thing for alot of the guys, I dont know if you have noticed, maybe they show it more in season 4, Ronon has quite a bit in commen with Jewels character, since his (Wife,girlfriend cant remember which) was a doctor. I know that doesnt sound like alot! but watching the episode you find out about her, you see he is used to her saving peoples lives, and it certainly rubbed off on him.

[Allan]

I love that Paul McGillon thing. It sounds like he's a bit like Carson in real life, which is cool. So, I guess they have actors doing a few (at least) of the commentaries then. I noticed that every episode in season three has one, is that the way with the first two seasons? If so, it's another few weeks of watching.

I really can't see having Jewel Staite as your doctor would be a bad thing. I understand completely where they're coming from. I didn't notice that at all in season three (since she spent about five minutes in the final episode, total), nor the flirtation with Ronon. It makes sense, the flashbacks I did see really humanised him as a character, and if he were to move on, I can see another doctor working for him. Still, I was always hoping to see Ronon and Teyla get together. I know they're playing with the idea of her and Sheppard, but the chemistry between her and Ronon has been great.

[Nico]

I cant remember the commentaries, we have the USA editions so i'm guessing they wouldn't be to much different, special features wise.

The change from Carson upset alot of people, the show got a lot of letters for that, Carson seemed to be loved , I miss his little scottish accent, (he actually was born in my town ) but yeah Jewel plays a great doctor, I probably think that for different reasons than you do though! .

With Sci-fi shows, I wouldnt really like the idea of the hooking up main characters but they need to keep the fans pleased and having the characters flirt usually does that, Sheppard is such a 'Kirk' , I quite liked the relationship between him and Weir, he again had that flirty side to him which I think is all they have to show.

It was after I finished watching all 4 seasons of SGA I switched to SG1 and fell in love with that, though I was dissapointed they never hooked up O'neill & Carter !

[Allan]

Oh, speaking of the US editions, how many episodes do they include on a disc? Because the full series DVD set for SG-1 here has more discs than the US one, with one extra disc that wasn't included in the previous releases. The US version has less discs, but four new ones, so I really can't figure it out.

I can imagine that the change from Carson would piss people off - he was a great character, and I was sad to see him go. I am pleased that Jewel's in the series, but in a perfect world she'd be there, but so would Carson.

I agree with you about Sheppard. And if he wasn't such a "Kirk" (I love Rodney repeatedly calling him that), the character would lose a lot. So I definitely agree that he shouldn't hook up with someone. And I see where you're coming from with the rest of the characters; flirtations work well.

I'm considering getting the entire run of SG-1 (though will probably wait until July or so, since I'm going to be shelling out a bit of cash for a couple of weeks out of town over late June/early July), and am looking forward to watching it. And they could never hook up O'Neil and Carter - Carter is Rodney's soulmate, after all.