Stargate SG-1 & Atlantis

[Nico]

So much to talk about! so I will just use SG1 right now, and then SGA after I catch the repeat tonight!.

Jul 25, 2008 13:24:04 GMT 10 Beck said:

Saw 200 last night. Most awesome episode EVER

I knew you would like it Beck, it is hillarious from beginning to end! .

Jul 25, 2008 21:27:40 GMT 10 Allan said:

I thought the pilot was interesting, in that the tone was so different to the series, and I suspect the show was originally intended to be a lot darker. The full frontal nudity surprised me (not that I'm complaining about that, mind you ), and it makes me wonder how it was originally envisaged. It was also damn long (longer than two episodes), and played out like a low-rent sequel to the movie. It had some interesting moments, but I can't say I'm a big fan of it.

I agree about the first two episodes feeling like a low-rent movie sequel, it felt like that to me to, I certainly didnt like them much, and actually fell asleep during one of them lol.

Jul 25, 2008 21:27:40 GMT 10 Allan said:

The next few episodes were pretty dull too, though I enjoyed "The Broca Divide" (where they pick up a plague from the planet divided into light and dark) and "The First Commandment" (with the crazy military guy playing god).

My favourite stargate seasons are midway threw, it certainly gets alot better, the storylines that develope are brilliant,

Jul 25, 2008 21:27:40 GMT 10 Allan said:

I loved "The Nox" though, with the energy alien that stole Jack's appearance and memories, and wanted to bring his son back. I'm a sucker for stories about benevolent aliens that don't "get" what makes us human, but it really was a sad story about the loss of Jack's son.

The Nox are fantastic, who knew Principal Snyder joined the Nox eh? . I think they are so interesting, we dont see enough of them in my opinion but we do get to see more!. It was a very sad story, I think Jack

Of season one I quite enjoyed 'The Torment of Tantalus' , 'Solitudes', There But for the Grace of God ' and the finale 'Within the Serpent's Grasp'

[Allan]

Jul 27, 2008 5:50:03 GMT 10 Nico said:

Jul 25, 2008 21:27:40 GMT 10 Allan said:

I loved "The Nox" though, with the energy alien that stole Jack's appearance and memories, and wanted to bring his son back. I'm a sucker for stories about benevolent aliens that don't "get" what makes us human, but it really was a sad story about the loss of Jack's son.

The Nox are fantastic, who knew Principal Snyder joined the Nox eh? . I think they are so interesting, we dont see enough of them in my opinion but we do get to see more!. It was a very sad story, I think Jack

I was getting my titles confused there. That's what happens when I check TV.com for episode titles. The one I meant was "Cold Lazarus".

I did watch "The Nox" this evening, and really enjoyed it, though. Armin Smimmerman was cool in it, and I'd like to see more of them in later episodes. I really like how they couldn't understand the need to fight, even in self-defence, and the humans couldn't understand the concept of total peace.

Jul 27, 2008 5:50:03 GMT 10 Nico said:

Of season one I quite enjoyed 'The Torment of Tantalus' , 'Solitudes', There But for the Grace of God ' and the finale 'Within the Serpent's Grasp'

I saw "The Torment of Tantalus" and agree that it was a great episode, especially how it built on Earth's history with the Stargate. And it was cool to see Paul McGillion in his first role in the Stargate universe (interestingly, he's the first person to have roles on both shows, and the first to move from Stargate to Star Trek).

I haven't seen the other episodes you've mentioned yet, though I really enjoyed "Fire and Water" with the team convinced Daniel's dead, and "Hathor" with the "goddess". I hope she shows up more, I really love the use of the false gods.

I didn't mind "Singularity" and "Cor-Ai", but they were a little too cliche's to be great episodes, I thought. "Bloodlines" didn't do much for me at all, even though we saw Teal'c's family.

Jul 27, 2008 5:50:03 GMT 10 Nico said:

So much to talk about! so I will just use SG1 right now, and then SGA after I catch the repeat tonight!.

I watched 5.03 ("Broken Ties") tonight and it deals with Ronon and his friend from Sateda who's the Wraith worshipper. I won't go into it any further until you've seen it, except that it's the weakest episode of the season so far. It didn't sit well with me at all, I don't think.

[Nico]

Fire & water was good to, the effects it had on them was very startling, understandable of course. Oneill smashing up the car, that turned out to be the generals was quite amusing .

I also watched it tonight, Such a slow episode I didn't enjoy it much either, Sadly there isnt even much to comment on usually me and my brother are talking about what just happens, and how it reflects on the story line, but we watched it in silence, the only words we spooke to each other were "its obvious whats going to happen next".

This episode has made me consider reading the synopis for future episodes, I wasn't expecting the best episode in the series, but I was expecting a good one, this was very much below par for me.

[Beck]

Season 1 of SG-1 sucks in comparison to later seasons. The Gou'ald are a big part of it, you'll see a lot more of those don't worry Allan

[Allan]

Jul 28, 2008 11:44:12 GMT 10 Beck said:

Season 1 of SG-1 sucks in comparison to later seasons.

That's what I keep hearing, which is why I shelled out the money for the series (admittedly, enjoying SGA helped me there )

Jul 28, 2008 11:44:12 GMT 10 Beck said:

Season 1 of SG-1 sucks in comparison to later seasons.

The Gou'ald are a big part of it, you'll see a lot more of those don't worry Allan [/quote]
Oh, I expected that. I just meant I like the way they're developing it, with the hints of other mythologies being "interpreted" too. I know the Asgard are coming, and would like to see more.

Jul 28, 2008 6:46:22 GMT 10 Nico said:

Fire & water was good to, the effects it had on them was very startling, understandable of course. Oneill smashing up the car, that turned out to be the generals was quite amusing

Yeah, they took a really emotional beat and played it for laughs afterward. It was nicely done.

I watched a few more episode tonight, and are all the episodes out of order on the DVD, or was the production order weird with the first season? Many of the episodes are in a different order to their TV.com listings.

Anyway, I saw (in order on the DVD):
"Enigma" - It was quite cool, I liked the aspect of the more advanced people looking down on Earth, and really made a point of what pricks the Government can be.
"Tin Man" - Really really crap episode, up until the ending. I love anything that messes with the audience, with characters who aren't who they think they are. Just a pity that it took 35 minutes (sans ads) to get there.
"Solitudes" - Agreed that it's enjoyable. A really quiet episode, but it's quiet moments between O'Neill and Carter really worked well.

Jul 28, 2008 6:46:22 GMT 10 Nico said:

I also watched it tonight, Such a slow episode I didn't enjoy it much either, Sadly there isnt even much to comment on usually me and my brother are talking about what just happens, and how it reflects on the story line, but we watched it in silence, the only words we spooke to each other were "its obvious whats going to happen next".

This episode has made me consider reading the synopis for future episodes, I wasn't expecting the best episode in the series, but I was expecting a good one, this was very much below par for me.

I really hope the quality improves after the episode. It was slow, and boring at points, which is disappointing given it's about Ronon's history. I generally like those episodes. But most of all, my major problem with it lied with:

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To me, it really sold Ronon's character out. Yeah, I get that the Wraith sucking your life and giving it back to you can be a high and can be addictive, but I always thought Ronon was tougher than to let it get to him. And more than that, I was under the impression that his fellow Satedans had subjected to that for a long time, hence their dependency on it. But it all seemed to happen to Ronon fairly quickly, and he really turned quickly.

The thing that makes it worse is that we saw it happen to Sheppard. Granted, it only happened once, but there was absolutely no hint that it is something that could be addictive (though, in some respects, I think the Ford thing may lend itself to it). And to me, it really makes Ronon seem like less of a hero. And now I'm hoping they play with it and have Ronon come to terms with it, but I get the feeling it'll be a "disposable" episode, never referred to again.

Oh, and Teyla just whined about her decision making again. Though she decided to stay on the team, I really think she needed a defining moment to make that decision.

But, aside from my complaints, Rodney had a couple of cool moments, and Woolsey was cool.

[Nico]

Jul 28, 2008 22:48:04 GMT 10 Allan said:

I really hope the quality improves after the episode. It was slow, and boring at points, which is disappointing given it's about Ronon's history. I generally like those episodes. But most of all, my major problem with it lied with:

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To me, it really sold Ronon's character out. Yeah, I get that the Wraith sucking your life and giving it back to you can be a high and can be addictive, but I always thought Ronon was tougher than to let it get to him. And more than that, I was under the impression that his fellow Satedans had subjected to that for a long time, hence their dependency on it. But it all seemed to happen to Ronon fairly quickly, and he really turned quickly.

The thing that makes it worse is that we saw it happen to Sheppard. Granted, it only happened once, but there was absolutely no hint that it is something that could be addictive (though, in some respects, I think the Ford thing may lend itself to it). And to me, it really makes Ronon seem like less of a hero. And now I'm hoping they play with it and have Ronon come to terms with it, but I get the feeling it'll be a "disposable" episode, never referred to again.

Oh, and Teyla just whined about her decision making again. Though she decided to stay on the team, I really think she needed a defining moment to make that decision.

But, aside from my complaints, Rodney had a couple of cool moments, and Woolsey was cool.

You know what really surprised me, all the talk of "you dont know what its like, what it feels like, how addictive it is" wasnt Ford using the same principles when he spiked Ronan & Teylas food with the exact same stuff? they went threw Detox, and it wasnt mentioned at all, I atleast expected a comment "I know what its like" .

Ronon was on the run from the Wraith for ages, they tortured him, destroyed his village, so I think it is ridiculous he was turned like that, it would have took alot more, I understand where they were going with the episode but I think they messed up, it was a little to forced.

The entire episode left me a little confused.

As for SG1 I am currently rewatching season 3, it is great to rewatch previous episodes because you know whats going to happen, and you can actually point out the decisions that led to it.

[Allan]

I agree that the episode was too forced. Maybe if his torture was a longer subplot featured over a few episodes, it would have rung more true, as it took time for it to happen?

I didn't even think of Ford using the same principles and forgot all about him doping Ronon and Teyla up on the stuff. In that case, I agree that Ronon definitely should have commented that he knew what it was like. And I'd imagine, knowing that, he would have resisted a bit more.

I like rewatching episodes, too. Especially when they're "big" episodes, you pick up on little bits of foreshadowing, etc. I just finished season one of SG-1 tonight. "There but for the Grace of God" was great, and it's nice to see an alternate reality episode actually play into the big picture. "Politics" was pretty boring, but that comes with being a clip show. "Within the Serpent's Grasp" wasn't bad, but I hope the season finales get better.

[Nico]

I'm not a big fan of the clip shows, purely because I usually watch them right pretty quickly after I watch the previous episodes, if I was watching it week by week I would enjoy them more I am sure.

I'm guessing you are still on season 2? you get to meet the Tok'ra, and episode 21 '1969' is quite amusing .

I will put this in spoilers incase you haven't seen 5x04 of SGA Allan.

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Well, I loved this episode, it was great!, from beginning to end, and certainly my favourite of the season so far. We see some new bad guys, which is something we really needed at this point in the series, we got to see alternate realities (which I love!) , it was just beautifully written

[Allan]

I couldn't help myself and clicked the spoiler tags. I haven't seen the episode yet, and hopefully will soon.

I am still on season 2 of SG-1, and got through both parts of "The Tok'Ra" last night. I haven't been loving it for the most part, though the latter episodes in the first half are showing an improvement, so hopefully it'll keep going. The ones I've particularly enjoyed so far:
"The Serpent's Lair" was a decent resolution to the season one arc.
"Thor's Chariot" was great. It was nice to "officially" meet Thor, and I really thought it was going to take them longer to show the Asgard. But aside from that, it was enjoyable.
"Family" was great, with Teal'c and his family. The episode really didn't let up with what Teal'c's son ewas going through.
"The Tok'ra" parts 1 and 2 really made the series feel like it was moving ahead. The arc with Sam and her father was nicely handled, and the Tok'ra were interesting. It was a two parter with very little action, but it still managed to work for me.

Aside from those, while I didn't particularly enjoy the episode, it was nice to see them cover Daniel's promise to return to Abydos with Shau're in "Secrets". I was really beginning to think they'd just forgotten all about that.

And "1969"'s a season two episode, is it? I think they mentioned it briefly in SGA season 4.

[Nico]

Reading my spoiler tags myself, they are very spoilery are they? , I never even realised .

The Tok'ra play a very big part in the stargate universe, as there stories unfold.

The Asgard episodes are all brilliant, especially the ones we see there ships arriving, and they ask for help when you find more about the early form replicators in stargate, and the asgard battles with them it gets very exciting!.

I loved the way they handled Sam and Jacob, I thought that was a great storyline.

and yep, 1969 is Season two, the last disc I think or second last.

[Allan]

Oh, they were terribly spoilery.

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The episode was nicely handled. In many ways, it was a "nothing" episode, in that it doesn't see, to fit into the bigger picture, but it was still enjoyable.

As for those bad guys, I really hope we'll see this reality's version of them. It seemed to me that they were just introducing them here, for when they crop up later.

Agreed about it being the best of the season so far.

Glad to hear the Tok'ra play a big role through the series. I like what I've seen of them so far.

I'm on the second last disc now, so "1969" shouldn't be too far off.

I watched "Spirits", "Touchstone" and "A Matter of Time" today. All of them are enjoyable, especially "A Matter of Time". It was really tense, even though I know that there are eight more seasns of SG-1 and five to date) of SGA, and Earth really isn't going to get sucked into a black hole.

[Beck]

There is a clip show in every season pretty much

Whats everyone's favourite episode so far?

[Allan]

Man, that pisses me off. At least SGA has only had one clip show so far (in season one), but it doesn't feel too much like one. And it has probably my favourite Zelenka bit ever.

As for my favourite SG-1 episode so far, it would probably have to be "The Fifth Race", though that could have something to do with it being fresh in my mind, having just seen it this evening. The first "real" appearance of the Asgard (apart from Thor on his ship) and the first mention of the Ancients, as well as the potential for the humans to join them all. it was a great episode, even if the plot was fairly low key.

As for SGA, I'll have to give that some thought.

I also saw "Holiday", which was entertaining, even if the body swap thing is a big cliche. "Serpent's Step" was pretty cool to, but I really loved "One False Step" with the weird little semi-naked, bald and white alien dudes - it was quite touching.

And yeah, I got through a bit of SG-1 today.

I have to say, while season two didn't seem much better than season one, it just took a while to get into, I think. The episodes are continue to improve (more or less) as the season progresses.

[Nico]

Favourite Sg1 episode, I have so many .

Season 4- Beneath the Surface.
Season 4- The Light
Season 4- Divide & conquer
Season 4- Window of Oppertunity (I love this episode!)
Season 7- Death Knell
Season 7 Heroes Pt 1 & 2

There are lots more but I cant rememebr them, those 3 I watched last night just because I love them muchly.

One false step was good, I remember the day I saw that, watched it on my mini dvd player and thought it was great.

[Glenn]

Ive just got the first season of SG1 so am gonna have to watch it and hopefully enjoy it.

[Beck]

Don't give up on season 1, its by far the worst season but its needed to get to know the characters, I'd recommend watching the movie first too if you haven't already

Window of Opportunity is the one with Jack and Teal'C in a time loop isnt it? Thats one of my favourites too

[Allan]

Aug 5, 2008 8:22:15 GMT 10 Glenn said:

Ive just got the first season of SG1 so am gonna have to watch it and hopefully enjoy it.

I agree with Beck. I'm in the second half of season 2 now, and finally think it's getting good.

EDIT - And I'm through season two now.

"Show and Tell" was a pretty cool episode, and I really had to laugh at the Peter DeLuise cameo and the goofy look on his face. "Charlie" was great, and I really like anything that reminds Jack of his son.

"1969" was damn amusing, and I knew I'd love it as soon as I saw the DVD intro screen with Sam and Daniel in their sixties gear.

And finally, WTF is the deal with a clip show for the season finale? I get that sometimes you need a clip show because they're running low on their budget, and I agree that toward the end of the season makes more sense so they can showcase the season (not that I like them), but as a season finale? Ridiculous. The framing device for the clips was pretty cool, but Hathor's return was so predictable, given how much time they focused on her in the clips compared to the other Goa'uld (who've appeared a lot more than she did). I think it has to be about the worst season finale - of anything - I've ever seen.

Still, as a whole, I've enjoyed season two more than season one. It took a while to get in to, and the finale sucked, but as a whole, the episodes have been better.

[Nico]

No Stargate Atlantis this week, I am shocked and apalled .

Going to rewatch SG1 season 3 today.

Thankfully the seasons finales get better, I'm not sure it's possible for them to get worse

[Allan]

The first SG-1 finale wasn't too bad, but the second was terrible. Atleast when SGA's season 4 finale wasn't great, it just failed as a finale, rather than as an episode.

I've seen up to "Deadman Switch" in SG1-1 season three, and, for the most part, have been loving the season. It's definitely getting pretty consistent now.

[Nico]

Season three is about where you start to learn more about the universe and the bad guys.

Currently rewatching Atlantis with my brother, we are onto season two, just watched the one with the Wraith Chick who poisons Sheppard, had no idea it was Jewel Staite the first time round!, knew straight away this time recognising her voice. Also tis the season we find out the Wraith aren't just bad guys, we start to see individuals and there plans to kill/feed from humans.